Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 13:58:50 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Subject: Re: Yahoo's httpd hacked. (fwd) For what it's worth, I dealt with Kevin Mitnick, Susan Headley (a.k.a. Susan Thunder), Roscoe, & etc as far back as 1980. Mitnick was bad news back then. It is unlikely that he will ever reform. The longer that he remains in the slammer, the better. I met him in person. His acts at that particular conference led to the establishment of a "canons of conduct" at future conferences which everyone had to sign as part of registration. The unfortunate aspect of all of this is that he seems to serve as a role model for wannabees who hear (highly overhyped) stories of his exploits as Hacker Against The System without the unsavory details. Mitnick is not a nice person. When he gets it into his head that he does not like somebody, he will relentlessly stalk and harass his victim. Markoff's book doesn't begin to tell the story. Unfortunately, most of us who have Mitnick stories do not want to call attention to ourselves by telling them. If the truth were known, he would be recognized as what he is: an unattractive vindictive individual who takes delight only in hurting others. He is not a particularly skilled programmer. He has one real skill; a Svengali-like influence over some individuals. His erstwhile associates weren't bad kids, but were terribly misled. All ended up being on the receiving end of Mitnick's vicious streak; some ended up with criminal records as well. What I'm trying to get at here is that this isn't just a security issue; it is also a psychological issue. It is difficult for some people to understand that we are dealing with people who do these things for no purpose other than to be hurtful. It is important to understand that security is not for admins to have a power trip (and thus is optional...), but rather to protect all of us from seriously evil folks. We are all only as secure as our weakest link.